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| Quote: | Originally posted by HD1
Here's the latest on Toyota & the fix. Looks like a runaway Prius in California was saved by a highway patrol even after having it in the dealership
for repairs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_runaway_prius
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HMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589090,00.html
The man who became the face of the Toyota gas pedal scandal this week has a troubled financial past that is leading some to question whether he was
wholly truthful in his story.
it's been learned that:
Sikes filed for bankruptcy in San Diego in 2008. According to documents, he was more than $700,000 in debt and roughly five months behind in
payments on his Prius;
In 2001, Sikes filed a police report with the Merced County Sheriff's Department for $58,000 in stolen property, including jewelry, a digital video
camera and equipment and $24,000 in cash;
Sikes has hired a law firm, though it has indicated he has no plans to sue Toyota;
Sikes won $55,000 on television's "The Big Spin" in 2006, Fox40.com reports, and the real estate agent has boasted of celebrity clients such as
Constance Ramos of "Extreme Home Makeover."
While authorities say they don't doubt Sikes' account, several bloggers and a man who bought a home from Sikes in 2007 question whether the
61-year-old entrepreneur may have concocted the incident for publicity or for monetary gain.
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Hmmm, lets see...
He does NOT plan to sue Toyota
The officer totally backs him up and could smell the brakes etc.
So why is this pertinent?
Sounds like the dang media trying to make a buck breaking a story...
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Anyone of us could stand on both pedals and make the brakes hot and smell too??
Does OctoMom drives a prius?
Oh, I bet he has no plans to sue Toyota as he assumes that since he is 'lawyered up' they will settle??
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| posted on 3-13-2010 at 08:45 AM |
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In this article It states "He just wants a new car"
http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-jamessikesinvestigated0311,0,46...
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| posted on 3-13-2010 at 04:29 PM |
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 http://www.toyotasimulator.com/
Ok this next one contains foul language so click on it at your own risk!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZZ1KYjAwIw 
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| posted on 3-14-2010 at 12:21 PM |
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Perspective from an Audi attorney...
The number of articles filed on Toyota has become mammoth to sort through.
As usual, very few present an unbiased, pragmatic view of the events impacting Toyota. Kind of like you guys obsessing on the credibility of one
individual in this mess. I thought he was credible, but maybe he isn't after a little background investigation. Just a very small part of a bigger
problem that still looms.
Here it is. What a mess. From the Detroit News...
Last Updated: March 12. 2010 3:47PM .Commentary: Toyota suffers from a rush to judgment
Joseph S. Folz
Toyota is in a world of hurt. Analysts estimate the automaker's contingent liabilities top $5 billion. It will be 15 years before the class-action
hounds let go.
It is easy to criticize Toyota's handling of sudden acceleration complaints, but no issue this complex is one-sided. What Toyota has done wrong --
and the wrong others have done to it -- bear study.
Toyota sat on allegations that could not stay quiet. Its officials continued delaying even after the dike started cracking.
The company made premature absolute statements ("we are sure it is pedal entrapment"; "we are sure the electronic systems are safe"), then backed
off. The automaker's U.S. president admitted to Congress that he was not certain its actions would solve the problem; the next day Toyota issued a
contradictory statement about what he really meant. The Japanese automaker issued recall after recall, adding explanations and models as it went
along.
As responsible as these actions were, they implied Toyota officials did not know what was wrong or with what. The attention to one dramatic allegation
shone a bright light on others (Tundra rust; Corolla steering), leading to yet more recalls. The 24/7/365 news cycle made Toyota look incompetent or
dishonest.
Most amazingly, Toyota failed to safeguard its carefully cultivated selling proposition. Few people buy a Toyota for styling, performance or
excitement. They buy it for safety, quality, reliability and worry-free driving.
More recent Toyota advertising tried convincing us it was environmentally and socially responsible, and just as American as everyone else. Toyota
failed to comprehend that bad things happen when millions of Americans feel they've been misled.
But there is another side to the story. Our cars seem so simple to operate, but they in fact are the most sophisticated devices most of us ever will
use.
Complex problems with this many variables (and this many conflicting stories) have complex solutions that don't lend themselves to immediate fixes,
but we expect everything now.
The fact is that relative to the hundreds of millions of passenger miles that Toyota vehicles have accumulated on American roads, the failure rate is
exceedingly small. Any death not from natural causes is tragic, and we need to eliminate them if we can. But that does not necessarily make it the
automaker's fault.
Even a cursory review of Toyota-related horror stories raises questions.
Was the woman in Tennessee truly driving her Lexus 100 miles per hour with her foot on the brakes and dialing her phone? Did the man in San Diego
really have to be told by a police officer to use the brakes, put the car in neutral and turn it off?
Why are there so many strange incidents now that there's been a lot of publicity, when so few incidents occurred before? Why do these drivers call
the media first?
And why don't the brakes work? Every modern car -- brake override system or not -- has brakes that when fully applied hold the car even under maximum
throttle input.
I don't pretend to know, but experience tells me these stories are incomplete.
The media should not escape scrutiny, even though Toyota has been slow to challenge them. ABC admitted it spliced together unrelated footage on a
report about Toyota's sudden acceleration problems. Its star witness, David Gilbert of Southern Illinois University, proved nothing other than that
it is possible to break things. An Avalon was re-engineered and rewired to create a runaway car.
Alarms are raised because Toyota hired regulatory experts from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Maybe it should employ unqualified
people instead?
Certainly Toyota has to act with all due haste, find any problem and fix whatever they find. Toyota should have known that today you're guilty until
proven innocent, but that doesn't make the rush to judgment correct.
Joseph S. Folz is a Chicago attorney who was counsel to Volkswagen of America during the Audi unintended acceleration controversy in the late 1980s.
E-mail: letters@detnews.com
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100312/OPINION01/3120338/1008/OPINION01/Commenta...
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| posted on 3-14-2010 at 10:06 PM |
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If this thread keeps getting more and more pages, it will be up there with the beached houseboat thread
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Feds: Human error caused Prius crash
NHTSA says brakes were not applied when crash occurred
David Shepardson / The Detroit News
Washington -- Federal investigators say last week's highly publicized accident involving a suspected runaway Toyota Prius in New York was caused by
human error, not bad brakes.
"Information retrieved from the vehicle's onboard computer systems indicated there was no application of the brakes and the throttle was fully
open," NHTSA said Thursday in a statement about a Harrison, N.Y., crash.
NHTSA officials said the findings mean the accident was caused by the driver.
Advertisement
Toyota sent six investigators and the NHTSA sent two investigators to look at the vehicle, driven by a housekeeper, that crashed into a stone wall in
the New York City suburb March 9.
The housekeeper had blamed the incident on the vehicle, saying it wouldn't stop.
Toyota's separate investigation into a March 8 incident, in which a 61-year-old man said his 2008 Prius reached speeds of more than 90 miles an hour
on its own on a San Diego freeway, has found no evidence to back up the claim. The investigation showed the brakes and accelerator had been applied
more than 250 times.
Toyota, meanwhile, is more aggressively defending itself, following the recall of more than 8.5 million vehicles worldwide over sudden acceleration
concerns.
The automaker has demanded a retraction and public apology from ABC News over a Feb. 22 story that the automaker says used a "fabricated" shot.
ABC acknowledged it used video showing a surging tachometer that was similar to the video shot during an actual test drive.
ABC News lawyer John Zuckersaid in a response to Toyota that its tachometer video did not "materially mislead the public," although the network has
acknowledged an "editorial error."
dshepardson@detnews.com (202) 662-8735
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100319/AUTO01/3190343/1148/auto01/Feds--Human-er...
http://detnews.com/article/20100319/AUTO01/3190343/1148/auto01/Feds--Human-er...
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| posted on 3-22-2010 at 09:50 PM |
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If this thread keeps getting more and more pages, it will be up there with the beached houseboat thread |
You beat me to it.
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Well, don't quote me on this but there is a rumor going around that the reason the houseboat ended up on the beach is because it had a Toyota engine
and it "suddenly accelerated..."
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And no BRAKES
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Glad this thread was brought back up. Here you have one of the biggest corporations in the world with unlimited resources attacking the credibility of
individual American consumers to get the heat off themselves. After all the coverup & lack of action that has put Toyota in the position they are in I
find it apalling that they would try to rescue their reputation by attacking one or two individuals who claim to have had accelation problems with
their cars. Where was the big investigations when cars were flying off the road bursting into flames or landing in lakes killing the passengers? After
much government prodding it was floormats...sure. They still don't have it figured out but are sure that a couple of older Americans are cons & scam
artists & we jump on the bandwagon to support the big corporation. Next will we blame the families who needlessly died because of corporate profits? I
suggest Toyota finally do the right thing & get off the blame game & accept responsibility if it is ever to restore it's reputation. They look pretty
tough beating up on someone's granpa & grandma on T.V. with a bunch of high dollar experts only money can buy.
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So you are saying Toyota publicized these incidents? That's just simply not true! The media had two particular incidents that were highly publicized
by the media! The "victims" were on the national news being interviewed and quoted in papers. In an effort to find the specific problem (because
they have acknowledge that there is a problem) Toyota has investigated several of these incindents. The NHTSA and Toyota have invesitgated both of
these particular incidents, the NHTSA released the report that the NY incindent was driver error--NOT Toyota!
Should the problems with the unintended acceleration been made public much earlier? Absolutely! No one is arguing that.
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Har!Har!Har! I loved the toyota simulator and Captain Bob's suspicion that the throttle stuck on the beached houseboat. I always figured that even
if a Prius accelerator stuck it could still be passed by anyone traveling south to the lake on Friday night on speed control.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by HD1
Glad this thread was brought back up. Here you have one of the biggest corporations in the world with unlimited resources attacking the credibility of
individual American consumers to get the heat off themselves. After all the coverup & lack of action that has put Toyota in the position they are in I
find it apalling that they would try to rescue their reputation by attacking one or two individuals who claim to have had accelation problems with
their cars. Where was the big investigations when cars were flying off the road bursting into flames or landing in lakes killing the passengers? After
much government prodding it was floormats...sure. They still don't have it figured out but are sure that a couple of older Americans are cons & scam
artists & we jump on the bandwagon to support the big corporation. Next will we blame the families who needlessly died because of corporate profits? I
suggest Toyota finally do the right thing & get off the blame game & accept responsibility if it is ever to restore it's reputation. They look pretty
tough beating up on someone's granpa & grandma on T.V. with a bunch of high dollar experts only money can buy. |
I don't believe anything will change your mind! You have a deeper hate for the country than the product.
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Just like the other way nothing will change some people's minds that work for Toyota or have $$$$$ invested in it... At least not in public will it
change their mind...
Well I have a issue with one of the acceleration scenarios and the investigation that go quickly ruled it to be there was nothing odd... as the
investigators stated the computer showed in the short period of time the driver hit the gas and brakes repeatedly up to 250 times each. Now I am no
Toyota master but generally if you were just wanting to heat things up and make it look good you would mash the gas and hold on to the brakes. In
this scenario it sure seems this guy was stomping pedals as he felt something was stuck. I worry nothing was stuck in the pedals but that the
computer (from here forward lets call it Hal) was fully accellerated yet nothing appeared on the logs as maybe they are only following the pedal
controls... 250 times??? Whew that is a lot...
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Circle the drain and take everybody with you...
So nothing like a little cash on the hood, a whole bunch of it actually,
to take the industry into a pricing war. Nobody will remember that you were slow to report on some little problems with your vehicle line-up for
going on a decade.
Add this to the new bunch of probable regulations coming out of DC, as developed by the mostly clue-less.
And before those of you who are in the business of supporting, selling, and whatever else with Toyota; start doing cart wheels about the incentives,
just remember what all of that money up front is going to do re-sale values. Down, down, down. Might want to get that pitch ready when someone comes
in two or three years from now and wants to trade and can't afford to do it.
And say what you want about the media reports, the litigation is just getting started, and funny thing about it, the process of discovery seems to
have a way of bringing the real truth out. This is far from over.
Toyota, Oh What a Feeling! Kind of like a hangover after and all night bender, if you are in the business.
http://detnews.com/article/20100324/AUTO01/3240370/1148/auto01/Big-3-pressure...
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I'm so glad you find so much humor and pleasure in what is affecting a lot of us now, but eventually--all of us.
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Another One... EMI
Electromagnetic Interference...
And before we start carping about the media again, this isn't People Magazine or the National Enquirer we are talking about here, this is from
Automotive News, the leading industry trade journal.
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100323/OEM/100329954/1143
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I'm so glad you find so much humor and pleasure in what is affecting a lot of us now, but eventually--all of us. |
I'm not laughing, crying is more like it. I make my living here, directly working with the big OEMs. Not trickle down like most in Kentucky, but
DIRECTLY and it is impacting all of us NOW.
I guess my "humor' tone is coming as a reaction to the denial that continues to come from some here. There is some fact mixed in with all of the
noise.
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| Quote: | | And before those of you who are in the business of supporting, selling, and whatever else with Toyota; start doing cart wheels
about the incentives, just remember what all of that money up front is going to do re-sale values. Down, down, down. Might want to get that pitch
ready when someone comes in two or three years from now and wants to trade and can't afford to do it |
I don't think Toyota stated this pricing war If I remember correctly the big 3 was giving an $1,000 if a Toyota was traded in.
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And before those of you who are in the business of supporting, selling, and whatever else with Toyota; start doing cart wheels about the incentives,
just remember what all of that money up front is going to do re-sale values. Down, down, down. Might want to get that pitch ready when someone comes
in two or three years from now and wants to trade and can't afford to do it |
I don't think Toyota stated this pricing war If I remember correctly the big 3 was giving an $1,000 if a Toyota was traded in.
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Actually, it was GM and Hyundai that offered the $1000 first.
Toyota responded with 0 for 60 on eight car lines which costs more like $4,000 over the term of a note.
Ford responded to Toyota by offering 0 for 60 months on Fusion and Focus, two lines, not eight.
Might have Toyota over-reacted just a bit? Especially with GM? C'mon now, I don't think there are people lining up at GM stores looking to trade
their Corollas in. At a Hyundai store, maybe...
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